{"id":20122,"date":"2026-09-14T10:03:41","date_gmt":"2026-09-14T09:03:41","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ladyjanegrey.info\/?p=20122"},"modified":"2026-09-14T12:19:42","modified_gmt":"2026-09-14T11:19:42","slug":"should-jane-be-known-as-queen-or-lady-4","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ladyjanegrey.info\/?p=20122","title":{"rendered":"Should Jane be known as Queen or Lady?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><BR><\/p>\n<p><b>Melita Thomas <\/b>(author of <a href=\"https:\/\/ladyjanegrey.info\/?page_id=15565\"STYLE=\"text-decoration: none\">The House of Grey: Friends &#038; Foes of Kings)<\/a> <\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_15292\" style=\"width: 212px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-15292\" src=\"https:\/\/ladyjanegrey.info\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/614F7WZnaGL-202x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"202\" height=\"300\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-15292\" srcset=\"https:\/\/ladyjanegrey.info\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/614F7WZnaGL-202x300.jpg 202w, https:\/\/ladyjanegrey.info\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/614F7WZnaGL.jpg 672w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 202px) 100vw, 202px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-15292\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><center> (c) Amberley Publishing<\/center><\/p><\/div>\n<p><i>Undoubtedly, Lady Jane.<\/p>\n<p>Jane was not queen under common law &#8211; even supposing Mary and Elizabeth did not count, and excluding Mary Queen of Scots as not qualifying as born out of the jurisdiction (debatable, but possible) the heir at common law would have been Margaret, Countess of Lennox, followed by her two sons, then Jane&#8217;s mother. <\/p>\n<p>She was not queen under statute. That clearly settled the succession on Mary then Elizabeth.<\/p>\n<p>Edward&#8217;s device and letters patent had no legal power to overturn statute. Henry VIII could not have left the throne away from Mary and Elizabeth by will, as it had been settled by statute. He only had the right to nominate an heir after Elizabeth, once the 1544 Act was passed.<\/i><\/p>\n<p><BR><\/p>\n<hr>\n<p><BR><\/p>\n<p><b>Kathryn Warner <\/b>(author of <a href=\" https:\/\/ladyjanegrey.info\/?page_id=17760\"STYLE=\"text-decoration: none\">The Granddaughters of Edward III)<\/a> <\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_17697\" style=\"width: 208px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-17697\" src=\"https:\/\/ladyjanegrey.info\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/51NzfkTm6vL._SX328_BO1204203200_-1-198x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"198\" height=\"300\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-17697\" srcset=\"https:\/\/ladyjanegrey.info\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/51NzfkTm6vL._SX328_BO1204203200_-1-198x300.jpg 198w, https:\/\/ladyjanegrey.info\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/51NzfkTm6vL._SX328_BO1204203200_-1.jpg 330w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 198px) 100vw, 198px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-17697\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><center> (c) Pen &#038; Sword<\/center><\/p><\/div>\n<p><i>I&#8217;d say Queen Jane, using the precedent of Edward V in 1483, who was never crowned but is still called &#8216;Edward V&#8217; and listed among our monarchs, so I&#8217;m not sure why Jane isn&#8217;t.<\/i><\/p>\n<p><BR><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Melita Thomas (author of The House of Grey: Friends &#038; Foes of Kings) Undoubtedly, Lady Jane. Jane was not queen under common law &#8211; even supposing Mary and Elizabeth did not count, and excluding Mary Queen of Scots as not &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/ladyjanegrey.info\/?p=20122\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_wpcom_ai_launchpad_first_post":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[989],"tags":[992,432,550,1004],"class_list":["post-20122","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-25-years-of-lady-jane-grey-reference-guide","tag-25-years","tag-kathryn-warner","tag-melita-thomas","tag-queen-or-lady"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/ladyjanegrey.info\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/20122","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/ladyjanegrey.info\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/ladyjanegrey.info\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ladyjanegrey.info\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/3"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ladyjanegrey.info\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=20122"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/ladyjanegrey.info\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/20122\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":20251,"href":"https:\/\/ladyjanegrey.info\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/20122\/revisions\/20251"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/ladyjanegrey.info\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=20122"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ladyjanegrey.info\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=20122"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ladyjanegrey.info\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=20122"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}