Should Jane be known as Queen Jane or Lady Jane?


Sarah Hodder (author of ‘The Woodville Women: 100 Years of Plantagenet and Tudor History’)

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I think Jane has become known to history as Lady Jane Grey and that should remain; it takes nothing away from her story, and the fact that she did become queen of England. Queen Jane makes me think of Jane Seymour, Henry VIII’s third queen, and I think Jane Grey deserves the individual recognition that her name, Lady Jane Grey, brings her.




Gemma Hollman (author of Royal Witches: From Joan of Navarre to Elizabeth Woodville)

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In my personal opinion, I think for the second question that she should be Lady Jane Grey. Although there are other monarchs without a coronation who are considered monarchs (looking at you, Edward V and Edward VIII), these were theoretically less contentious accessions, and whilst for example Edward V was not crowned, he was the clear heir and was considered and proclaimed king for months, so I think a lack of coronation in his case is not enough to warrant him not being considered a king. For Jane, however, the line of succession was not clear cut, with multiple different complications and potential claimants (thanks for your messy history, Henry) and Jane was just one of those, who made a claim, but was swiftly knocked aside. True, she was proclaimed queen, but I don’t think in her case this is enough to consider her a queen, considering how short-lived and contentious this was. But I certainly think it is an interesting argument, and I can understand those who think she should be considered a queen!



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Lady Jane is chief mourner at Queen Katherine Parr’s funeral


The funeral of Queen Katherine Parr


On 7th September 1548, Lady Jane Grey was chief mourner at the funeral of Queen Katherine Parr. The former queen had died two days earlier, probably from puerperal fever, after the birth of her daughter Mary. The funeral at St Mary’s Church (in the grounds of Sudeley) was Lady Jane’s ‘first public role.’ (1)


(c) Jennie Rainsford Lady Jane Grey mourns Katherine Parr Re-enactment of Katherine Parr's funeral at Sudeley Castle 2012

(c) Jennie Rainsford
Lady Jane Grey mourns Katherine Parr
Re-enactment of Katherine Parr’s funeral at Sudeley Castle 2010


There is an anonymous account of the funeral of Katherine Parr. The description can be found in ‘Katherine Parr: Complete Works and Correspondence’ edited by Janel Mueller.

‘A Breviate of the Internment of the lady Katherine Parr, Queen Dowager, late wife to King Henry VIII, and after, wife to Sir Thomas, Lord Seymour of Sudeley, and High Admiral of England.

Item – On Wednesday, the fifth of September, between two and three of the clock in the morning, died the aforesaid lady, late Queen Dowager, at the castle of Sudeley in Gloucestershire, 1548, and lieth buried in the chapel of the said castle.

Item – She was cered and chested in lead accordingly, and so remained in her privy chamber until things were in a readiness.

Hereafter followeth the provision in the chapel.

Item – It was hanged with black cloth garnished with escutcheons of marriages viz. King Henry VIII and her in pale, under the crown; her own in lozenge, under the crown; also the arms of the Lord Admiral and hers in pale, without crown.

Items – Rails covered with black cloth for the mourners to sit in, with stools and cushions accordingly, without either hearse, majesty’s valence, or tapers – saving two tapers whereon were two escutcheons, which stood upon the corpse during the service.

The order in proceeding to the chapel.

First, two conductors in black, with black staves.

Then, gentlemen and esquires.

Then, knights.

Then, officers of houshold, with their white staves.

Then, the gentlemen ushers.

Then, Somerset Herald in the King’s coat.

Then, the corpse borne by six gentlemen in black gowns, with their hoods on their heads.

Then, eleven staff torches borne on each side by yeomen about the corpse, and at each corner a knight for assistance – four, with their hoods on their heads.

Then, the Lady Jane, daughter to the lord Marquis Dorset, chief mourner, led by a estate, her train borne up by a young lady.

Then, six other lady mourners, two and two.

Then, all ladies and gentlewomen, two and two.

Then yeomen, three and three in a rank.

Then, all other following.

The manner of the service in the church.

Item – When the corpse was set within the rails, and the mourners placed, the whole choir began, and sung certain Psalms in English, and read three lessons. And after the third lesson the mourners, according to their degrees and as it is accustomed, offered into the alms-box. And when they had all done, all other, as gentlemen or gentlewomen, that would.

The offering done, Doctor Coverdale, the Queen’s almoner, began his sermon, which was very good and godly. And in one place thereof, he took a occasion to declare unto the people how that there should none there think, say, nor spread abroad that the offering which was there done, was done anything to profit the dead, but for the poor only. And also the lights which were carried and stood about the corpse were for the honor of the person, and for none other intent nor purpose. And so went through with his sermon, and made a godly prayer. And the whole church answered, and prayed the same with him in the end. The sermon done, the corpse was buried, during which time the choir sung Te Deum in English.

And this done, after dinner the mourners and the rest that would, returned homeward again. All which aforesaid was done in a morning.’ (2)


Thank you to Jennie Rainsford for letting me use her photo.



Sources

1. De Lisle, L. (2010) The Sisters Who Would Be Queen: The Tragedy of Mary, Katherine and Lady Jane Grey, HarperPress, p.43.
2. Mueller, Janel. (20110) Katherine Parr: Complete Works & Correspondence, University of Chicago Press Ltd, p.180-182.



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Should Jane be known as Queen Jane or Lady Jane?


Christine Hartweg (author of ‘John Dudley: The Life of Lady Jane Grey’s Father-In-Law ’)

(c) Christine Hartweg

I don’t mind if people call her Lady Jane Grey, I do so myself. However, I think it’s also right to also call her Queen Jane, as she was de facto queen. There are documents she signed as Quene Jane. In her own understanding, and that of her council, she was of course de jure queen also, until they changed their minds under military pressure. I think historians should acknowledge that this was a civil war situation, like for example that of Queen Mathilda and King Stephen. In many countries it sometimes happened that there were several contenders for the throne at the same time, and they are usually counted as kings, emperors, or popes, by historians.




Richard Heath (author of ‘Killing Monarchs: Regicide in the Tudor and Stuart Age’)

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As much as I attach no blame to Jane in the events of July 1553, she was essentially a usurper. That she was pushed into the situation and had never expressed any desire to become queen does not change that basic fact. As such I believe that the widely used name of Lady Jane Grey is correct, even though she could be regarded as having been queen for nine days. It is however interesting that many of the references to Mary’s reign give it as commencing in July 1553, without gives a specific date – either 6th July (Edward’s death) or 18th July 9 (her acceptance by the Privy Council).


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Should Jane be known as Queen Jane or Lady Jane?


Elizabeth Fremantle (author of ‘Sisters of Treason)

Technically Queen Jane is correct but I have to admit that I think of her as Lady Jane Grey, probably because that was what I was taught at school.




Helene Harrison (author of ‘Tudor Executions: Nobility to the Block)

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Queen Jane. She may have only reigned for 13 days and was never crowned but other monarchs have t been crowned and are still considered monarchs – Edward V and Edward VIII, for example. She acted as queen, head of the Privy Council and signed documents as queen, and had the support of council. Legally it may have been questionable at the time, but had she triumphed over Mary I have no doubt the legalities would have been sorted, as with other usurping monarchs after the fact.



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